Smokin' hot Walter gear drive

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Mary Mac
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I got my 1978 34-III back from the yard today where it had a bunch of work done including an engine service. After motoring for a little while, there was a lot of smoke coming from the breather on the gear. It was very hot. It never did this before.

I'd asked them to change the oil in that and the Paragon V-Drive. I also replaced the old 2 blade prop with the recommended (and tested on this boat/engine) Campbell Sailer 3 blade 16x9, but I don't think that should cause this.

The engine ran and sounded great. The exhaust looked good.

Where do you check the oil on this?

How is it cooled? There are lines going to the v-drive, but not the gear.

Thanks!
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Muleka 1978 Cal 34-III #111 Marina Village, Alameda, California
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Hi Mary, I hesitated to make any comments about your transmission and V-drive hoping that someone would step up with some more precise information. It sounds like Bob may have the manual that you need. That would be great if he could get a copy to you. The only information I can relate to you would be about the V-drive and transmission on my 67 Cal 28. Which may not be the same or even similar. But I'm going to go ahead and toss the information out there and hope that someone with information that would directly pertain to your situation will correct me. The V drive and the transmission on the 28 had a shared lubrication source. Meaning there were no seals in between the V drive and the transmission. If you overfilled or under-filled the assembly you would get overheating. If you mixed your types of lubrication without completely draining the assembly and refilling it with a different type you could get overheating. I do believe that you have fresh water cooling so the air bubbles in the raw water cooling system after a haul out would not be your issue. If the lubrication was mixed or there was a lot of debris from the transmission it can clog the small holes that connect the V-drive to the transmission. This means that if you fill from the V-drive sometimes you have to run the engine or wait a while for the fluid to fill up the transmission. If you just do a quick fill off of the V-drive it's possible the transmission would not get it's lubrication filled adequately. The only time I pay someone to do a job for me it's because I want them to have the responsibility of it turning out right. I would get in touch with the yard and explain the problem and see if they come up with logical Solutions or at least explanations before I did any fretting or work on the perceived problem. If they have the solution I would praise them in the media, conversely if they have no explanation or solution I would blackball them in the community. If you pay someone to do a job and it's not right they should suffer the consequence. I know I come off sounding like a crotchety old man but I guess that's what I am.
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Oh also I forgot to mention that for the 28 you needed to hold the shift lever in reverse and if You released it it would go to neutral. It would lock in forward. I can't say that the transmission in your 34 is a similar design.
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Check your dipstick on the port side of your V-drive to see if the level is overfilled or under-filled. Also look at the consistency of the fluid if it is frothy you know you have a mix problem.
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great advice ,my cal 29 has an Atomic 4 with the transmission as part of the engine .communicating your problems with the yard is the first step .Good on you for paying attention . merry X-mas to all
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I didn't even think of that Captain Ken. I assumed you were running a diesel. So do you have an atomic 4 Mary?
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Hopefully the yard isn't too far away. My only advice is just a repeat and that is to check the level of the fluid. If I had to guess, I would say the yard drained the old fluid and forgot to put in the new. I would not run it without making sure I am wrong.

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Thank you, all. I am consumed with training at work until January, so I haven’t been able to get back to this. Some good friends went to pick up the boat at Berkeley Marine Center, so I wasn’t able to see firsthand.

That yard was a complete nightmare. The owner, Cree seems like a good guy but he doesn’t know what is going on in his yard. The yard manager Ruben has no problem lying about anything and was quite rude. He even threatened to beat up my sweet 67 year old friend (a commercial diver and someone who knows a lot about boats) when he questioned the quality of work done on the bottom. Of course he told his boss a different story. I can’t believe the amount of drama this guy caused. I later looked up reviews online and others have had problems with this guy. I tried communicating with them many times and asked specifically for certain things to be done, but they simply didn’t know what work had been done. I can’t trust any of it. I also had asked for a quote before any work was done on the engine and they didn’t give one, just did the work and charged a lot. Yes, I have communicated all of this to the yard.

I live in LA now, so I had flown up to pick up the boat when they said it was ready. They splashed it and tried to start the engine (it is a diesel Westerbeke 30 4-91) and the engine which normally starts right up wouldn’t start. They had let someone who wanted to learn how to work on engines replace the secondary fuel filter, and it was installed improperly with old seals and the seal was damaged when he replaced it causing it to suck in air. I ended up sleeping in my boat in the haul out dock and paying for extra Ubers back and forth to my car in Alameda. I had to go to work, so left the boat there. I called the owner of the yard who apologized when he found out what happened. He said I’d get a refund for part of the work... that they’d leave a check in my boat. There was no check.

The yard refused to tell me what other work had been done on the engine. They said probably the oil and oil filter and tighten the belts and change the fuel filter. More BS from the yard manager because he had no idea what had been done, though they charged a lot of hours for it at $120/hr. I should have done the work myself. Lesson learned!

The new bottom paint job was already peeling when I arrived at the yard. I was able to chip off big chunks of paint with my finger because they hadn’t prepped it properly. Photo attached of after I flicked at the paint once with my finger. There was more. I had them install a new prop and apply expensive prop speed, and it wasn’t allowed to cure the recommended amount of time before they put it in the water. I can go on..

I wanted to DIY some of this stuff, but they aren’t allowing it due to covid.

Anyway.. my good friends who picked up the boat believe that the oil type may be wrong in the transmission. There are separate oil types in each section. I will replace the oil when I can get back to Alameda sometime in January and go from there.
Photo of one of several sections of where the paint was chipping after a new paint job.
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Muleka 1978 Cal 34-III #111 Marina Village, Alameda, California
Nepenthe 1976 Kelly Peterson 44 #116 Redondo Beach, California
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